HMMWV Title – Iron Planet FL Title
A special thanks to Jason for providing a copy of what Iron Planet will send a buyer of a Humvee / HMMWV if the Florida Title option is chosen.
It is important to note that this title does specify that the vehicle is “not suitable for highway use.” Depending on what the intended application of your Humvee is, this may be a preferable choice as it will make it much easier to transfer the title at your state’s Department of Motor Vehicles.
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HMMWV Title – Iron Planet FL Title
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Sorry, I already posted this on another page, but this is the more appropriate page to do so:
If you get a Florida title, you WILL NOT be able to get it tagged. I spent a few hours on the phone with a few different people from the DMV and DHSMV and the outcome is that if the title says “OHV…” the state of Florida cannot – and will not – do a title re-classification to be able to drive it on the road.
Also per the DHSMV, you can use a SF-97 AND a Bill of Sale to get a title…but if the SF-97 says “FOR OFF ROAD USE ONLY”, then guess what? Can’t register it as an on-road vehicle. *sigh*
I took the time to make sure my Humvee was road worthy…and even submitted it for “Consideration to make street legal”. It was approved, but can’t figure out what to do with it now. lol I cancelled the title, and I’ve decided to go the route with just a Bill of Sale and see if I can get with that.
Good luck all!
Have you chased this any farther yet?
I’ve got a 1991 gov.planet Humvee. How did you or what steps and where did you start for the “Consideration to make street legal”?
How did you cancel the title? If you take the bill of sale alone, can you apply for a new, “On-Highway Use” title?
THANKS for any information and suggestions!!!
Benson,
Interestingly in my pursuit of knowledge and while talking with a few FLDHSMV representatives, I found that the state of Florida has no way to prove whether or not your vehicle is “street legal”. While discussing this, one representative explained to me that they go by what the person tells them, without verification. The only vehicles they actually inspect are rebuilt motorcycles (for handlebar height) and golf carts. Even with the handlebar height, they can merely suggest changing it.
To be safe with my (old) rig (have since sold), I made sure all the lights worked, blinkers, horn, wipers, mirrors were present and not broken, seat belts worked, had a proper tag light and light, etc. all basic things that you need while driving.
To cancel the title, I called Govplanet and asked to cancel it and explained I didn’t need it.
What was told to me by nearly every representative was that it would be easier if it was registered in a different state, then transfered in.
-D.S.
Being someone that’s been excited to get a Humvee for taking on the beach and doing parades I’ve been doing research. My first question is how are people registering 5 tons and deuces? I would think that if you can get them registered and tagged then you should be able to get a Humvee done. Now if your state doesn’t allow you to tag the big boys then you’d need to say this is the same as a civilian Hummer H1 that’s legal to tag. A couple years ago I helped a buddy import a German VW. It was a 1984 and we were able to bypass the safety standards because of the Federal 25yr rule. The EPA is actually more lenient as they only require vehicles to be 21 yrs old to be exempt from emmissions. These are the Feds and individual states are different. But I would think that if you get a 1989 or older Humvee then you could try to use the same process as you would use to import a vehicle from overseas.
I live in Delaware and a cursory look at their website lends me to believe that I should be able to tag a auction bought military Humvee without too much hassle. Of course it’ll all depend on the person I get at the DMV, when I went to tag my M1102 Humvee trailer the person I first dealt with was the opposite of helpful. The other hiccup would be that “Off road use only” classification on the SF97 or the Florida title. You might need to get someone that’s not as thorough or someone that isn’t as strict with the rules to title and tag it. My only other hiccup is that I want CTIS to be able to do easy tire deflation and inflation to go on the beach.
Another problem is that PlanetGov DOES NOT provide a clean SF-97…..the document is in their name not the buyers. Florida won’t accept it. You have to get the restricted title at check out if you live in Florida. … …. This is a bunch of bureaucratic crap. Every Jeep CJ7 I’ve ever owned had more safety features than my M998.
Hello I would like to think that some day they will be able to title these hummers in any state in the US just this morning I saw 3 active military Humvees each one with 2 Army guys in the front seats going down route 17 in Va. part of a convoy I think . what is the difference in driving this vehicle in uniform or in jeans and a t-shirt . shure would be nice to know their reasoning ‘ I guess their safe when in military hands but when retired from use all of a sudden they are un safe;
Just my 2 cents worth
Rich Dunlap
We agree whole-heartedly, Rich; not only is the US Military operating these vehicles – without modification – on the US Highway/Road systems, but many police/law enforcement departments are doing the exact same thing with HMMWV’s acquired from the DoD and repainted.
As long as GovPlanet sells them in the condition that they are in (missing headlights, taillights, not being “road worthy”, etc.) they will not do this. It’s a safety issue, first and foremost. It has nothing to do with the fact that it’s “military”. It’s basically CYA for them. Not to mention that the fact that there is not a normal VIN makes it difficult for some states to title.
Derek,
Were you ever able to get the old rig you had titled / registered or did you just sell w/ the SF97?
DId not get an SF-97. I purchased it and sold it (because I was frustrated with the state of Florida’s shenanigans regarding this) to a neighbor of mine who moved out of state. He was able to register it, and when his business tanked, I bought the rig back from him and was able to transfer it in.
Hello all again,
I was going through all my emails from the State of Florida, and I hope this helps anyone on here, or that’s visiting this page to find help.
Florida WILL accept an SF-97 (despite what Keith said above) as I personally went to look at a rig that had been registered as an Off-Highway vehicle using this. Also, keep in mind, the SF-97 is if you’re looking to title the rig as a OFF-HIGHWAY vehicle. If you are a Florida resident, and you’re not looking to do this, do not waste your time purchasing one (my presumption is the same if you’re trying to get a Florida title from GovPlanet – if you’re not looking to title it for off-highway use, don’t bother!)
This is verbatim from a Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles Compliance officer/Regional Administrator:
“In order to title this vehicle in the State of Florida we will need:
· A Standard Form 97, US Government Certificate of Release of a Motor Vehicle (US Government Bill of Sale), which contains a description of the motor vehicle including the make, year and vehicle identification number. The Standard Form 97 serves as the federal government’s only proof of ownership. Keep in mind, if the SF 97 shows “Off Road Only”, it will not be registered and it will be titled as “Off Road Only”. This cannot and will not be changed for the life of the vehicle in this state. Since the Standard Form 97 is similar to a title, the seller MUST take title in their name (unless the seller is a licensed motor vehicle dealership) prior to selling it. If they provide you a SF 97, assigned to them and a reassignment form from them to you, the vehicle can be titled.
and
· A bill of sale from the Bureau of Federal Property Assistance, or the licensed motor vehicle dealership that purchased the motor vehicle.
or,
· A “Certificate To Obtain Title To A Vehicle,” form LLO 1/97, which contains a description of the motor vehicle including the year, make and vehicle identification number, transferred to the individual/dealership that purchased the motor vehicle.
Once these requirements are met, the vehicle may be titled and registered in Florida.
If these requirements cannot be met, then a Declaratory Judgment (court order) will be necessary.
In order to get the process started for a declaratory judgement, contact your local Clerk of the Court Office and tell them that you need to obtain a declaratory judgment (a court order awarding ownership).
Keep in mind that some counties require that you hire an attorney. So, I suggest you contact a rural county as customers have told us that the process is much easier in the smaller counties.
A declaratory judgement is usually a one page court order directing the State to issue a title to the vehicle.
The order should state if the current serial number will be used as the VIN or if the State (our office) should issue a “Florida Assigned VIN”.”
So, just know that the cost of filing the declaratory judgement is unknown to me at this time. If anyone knows, or if anyone will try this process before I do, do not hesitate to post and let myself and everyone know.
I’ll be happy to help anyone if they have any other questions…just not sure how to get my info to you!
Thanks and good luck!
Florida has temporarily stopped issuing these titles because they want to reevaluate how they title them for off road use.
DDR Motorsports in Miami builds kit cars and titles them… The custoemrs I’ve talked to say there very much is an inspection process for road-worthiness because every single one of them had to go through it. Some said it was very detailed. Some said it was just signing an affidavit affirming that the things to be inspected were as required…
http://www.ddrmotorsport.com/
There are definitely some serious shenanigans going on with FLDHSMV giving a pass to X while refusing Y, and flat-out lying…
Kit cars are a different beast. The state will inspect kit cars, rebuilds, and converted golfcarts…but not your conventional vehicles. They only way they will inspect a Humvee is if it’s a rebuilt one, or a kit, and you need to detail the rebuild process.
I too have heard about the stop on the Off-Highway titles until FLDHSMV comletes their investigation on these. Leave it to Floriduh to mess with a good thing.
The grapevine has it that this whole mess is a result of AM General not wanting the vehicles on the road for ambiguous CYA reasons, and government happily doing as directed by that private company…
But an M35A2 with a single-circuit brake system that barely works even when fully functional, no problem! M939 series that weighs almost twice as much, sure, no CDL needed!
It’s obvious that this is motivated by some dirty backroom dealings… It doesn’t make sense, and lets not even get into the economics of trying to sell 300,000+ vehicles with off-road only compared to 25,000 for road use, yet the price disparity… Obvious BS is obvious.
It’s pointless to discuss the corruption and idiocy of government. Moving on.
Which States are issuing legitimate on-road titles?
Florida will NOT “inspect a rebuilt one.” Florida does NOT, ever, under any circumstances, revert a salvage title back to anything functional. Once a VIN gets a salvage title, it’s done in FL. Rebuilt vehicles have to be titled in a different state, usually Georgia, and then transferred to FL. Might try this for an HMMWV.
That’s completely inaccurate, Dustin. Per the FLHSMV website:
In Florida, after a vehicle has been damaged but is considered rebuildable, it is given a salvage rebuildable title. Once it has been
restored and a physical examination performed by the Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles (the Department), it is given a rebuilt title.
Florida’s motor vehicle rebuilt inspection process is authorized pursuant to Section 319.14(1)(b), Florida Statutes, to prevent the use of stolen parts and stolen vehicles in the rebuilding process and to assist law enforcement with the investigation of vehicle theft and related fraud. Florida’s rebuilt inspection process does not include a safety inspection of the rebuilt vehicle.”
*Completes Stupid smart phone. :/
I found out recently that Florida will allow the Humvees for parade use. There is a document to fill out on from the FLHSMV website and all you need your ownership paperwork and that paper. No title will be issued, but a registration for parade or exhibit use will be given. You can email a Mr Mike Matz at MichaelMatz@flhsmv.gov and ask him for the correct way to do it.